PLG-AN (stupid question time)

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PLG-AN (stupid question time)

Unread postby ledan » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:11 pm

Hi forum,

two months ago, i became the owner of a Motif rack equipped with the PLG-150AN board (paid ~135 ukp for the lot). It was in great shape as well and sound quite well to be honest (I do own the EX5 as well as the Moxf6 so a lot of the sounds are very much the same. But despite that, it sounds good).

Anyhow.... I wanted to send some plg-150an sysex-date to the unit (Jayb-bank). I'm on Windows 7x64 and the AN editor doesnt seem to work that well (i cant get any midi-devices in the menu to select from, its totally blank...). What i did was to use the bwalk midi-2-syx utility (http://www.bwalk.com.au/MidiUtil/FileConvert.html) to convert the mid-file into sysex (have been working great in the past for other purposese). When sending he converted syx-file to the motif-rack,it does say after a while that the midi buffer is full (and i have reduced the latency from 100 to 300 without any difference in outcome).

My question is really: To get to the "user" bank of the plg, how do i do it? Right now, i'm staring at one patch (BlapMoth) on slot "084/069". It doesn't really tell me much at all. Am i one a preset patch or is it somewhere in user patch land?

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Re: PLG-AN (stupid question time)

Unread postby SysExJohn » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:45 pm

When one gets the "buffer full" message, it usually just means that you're trying to send too many commands a time, i.e. faster than the processor can handle them. Sysex messages, being longer strings of data, can often cause this.

My solution was to go into the smf and put greater intervals between successive messages, or, resetting the bpm timing to a significantly slower rate can sometimes work.
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Re: PLG-AN (stupid question time)

Unread postby ledan » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:18 pm

Hi John,

thx for answering. I struggled a lot with my regular DAW (Sonar X3) and didn't manage to get the sysx through. Also found out that my unit had the 1.000 os version onboard. I managed to update after several trials'n'errors using midi-ox (to 1.003 i think it was).

Will try the same application for the plg-bank now as well :)

One thing i noticed is that the Motif is dead-slow in scrolling through an-banks. Much more so than my old S30 (had both AN and DX plg on that one, one after the other). As i have understood it, the motif was never known to be a quick unit in handling these cards....

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Re: PLG-AN (stupid question time)

Unread postby Derek » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:46 pm

I have a PLG150-AN and PLG150-VL in a Motif Rack ES, and the boot time with those cards in is slower than a Kronos! I do have the Motif Rack set to load their sounds of course, which is pedestrian for the data being transferred.
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Re: PLG-AN (stupid question time)

Unread postby SysExJohn » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:47 am

Certainly it's weird that the boot up time of a keyboard or sound module, when equipped with a VL or AN plug in card, should be so extended.
IME, when I had DX, VL and AN installed within an MU1000 was that boot up was more or less instantaneous.

However, when sending a complete voice set via SysEx, I believe the data transfer rate across the PLG interface (even though I believe it's parallel) is not much different to MIDI's 31.25kbps. The buffer sizes are not huge (it's comparatively ancient technology) and so transfers are very stop/start. Hence the very slow loading times.

I recall reading Yamaha's XG specification where it says something to the effect that it's necessary to wait up to 200ms after issuing an GM reset for the command to be implemented across a device. A further 50ms for an XG reset. This should perhaps remind us that we're dealing with a much older slower technology with these PLG cards.

Patience is a virtue I'm told! ;-)

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Re: PLG-AN (stupid question time)

Unread postby Derek » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:44 pm

I do have the Motif set yo "boot" the voice data into the cards for standalone stage use (no computer in site). It is that which slows things down. It's not a problem as I just turn things on whilst setting up and these days I run my synths on stage off of a UPS, so power failures are not going to cause reboot delays. That was one BIG recommendation from my research into getting a Kronos. Pretty much everybody said that a UPS was essential due to its (near) two minute boot time.
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