New MX88BK Synth

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New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby SeaGtGruff » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:13 pm

Although somebody let the cat out of the bag 4 days ago on another site, I didn't notice that thread until late last night. It seems that in a few more days Yamaha will be releasing an 88-note version of their MX line, with a GHS keybed and the updates that were made in the revised MX61 and MX49 (USB audio, MIDI class-compliance, and integration with the same iOS apps). As I understand it, the stores that had gotten a few in early are supposed to be keeping it under wraps until the 20th, but at least one store mucked up and put it on display last week-- then quickly hid it again when they realized it wasn't supposed to be "out" yet. But Amazon already has a page for it, and are presumably taking pre-orders:

https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-MX88BK-Keyboard-Production-Station/dp/B06XSRMGM8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492359142&sr=8-1&keywords=mx88bk
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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby EX5_etc » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:37 pm

Just a bit more information here with no practical value:

https://fccid.io/MSIP-REI-ymk-MX88

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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby Saul » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:04 pm

Nice find. No news from Yamaha yet on this although I have just dropped them an email to see if they have any comment. Normally there would be a press release at least a couple of days before launch.

I'm not sure it's a massive deal though. This keyboard will be up against Roland's DS88 and assuming it's just the bog standard MX with the addition of an 88 key balanced hammer action keybed I think the Roland will has nothing to worry about.
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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby Saul » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:18 pm

Just confirmed launch is on Thursday but no pricing yet.
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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby parametric » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:19 pm

I would "suggest" it would be nice to have another brainstorming session at Yamaha? :idea:

Re: Reconsidering their position on releasing their landmark Synths as VSTis?

- perhaps pointing out what their competitors are doing in this respect? (As if they don't know? :roll: )

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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby Saul » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:53 pm

Well I have had that VST conversation so many times with Yamaha and they are adamant that they have no interest in going down the software route. I find it incredibly daft that they are closed to such a massive market but there is never any working out the machinations of Yamaha Japan.

I was just thinking about this MX88 though. Will Yamaha get the pricing wrong and make it way too expensive for what it is? If they don't price it lower than the £849 of the Roland Juno DS88 they can forget it. I know the price quoted on Amazon was $1,040.98 which equates to around £816 but you have to also add in VAT etc so I have a horrible feeling it will be overpriced.
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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby EX5_etc » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:41 pm

They are having a $200 rebate on the MM-8 that will be replaced by the MX88BK. Like they did with the Motif XF a year ago.

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Unread postby Saul » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:11 pm

EX5_etc wrote:They are having a $200 rebate on the MM-8 that will be replaced by the MX88BK. Like they did with the Motif XF a year ago.

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Better to sell the MM-8 privately, bound to get more than $200 for it.
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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby Saul » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:00 am

Just seen the UK pricing for the MX88 is £999.00! If that is the price they are going to sell at in-store I think they will have a real struggle up against the Roland Juno DS88 which sells for £849.00. Having said that I just noticed Yamaha Music London have the MX88 listed at £839.00 so that is a good start but, I still think it is not as good a keyboard as the Roland Juno DS88.

The MX88 won't be in stores until May.
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Unread postby SeaGtGruff » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:32 pm

Sweetwater in the USA claims to have it in stock already, but other sites say it won't be available until April 30. The USA price seems to be $999-- except for Amazon, which still has it listed at $1060!

I'd much prefer to get a MOXF8 for its better sound engine, wave memory, and expandability, but the price of the MX88 definitely looks better to my wallet. The only reason I'm even entertaining the fantasy of buying one is because for a year or so I've been waffling between getting a 76-key PSR-EW400 or an MX49-- or possibly even both-- and lately I've also started considering forgoing those and getting an 88-key DGX-660 instead (or maybe--gasp!-- a Casio PX-560). The MX88 would certainly have a better keybed and sound engine than the DGX-660, and wouldn't cost much more. As for its sound, I'm sure it wouldn't be as good as the MOXF8-- but I already have a large number of virtual instruments and soft synths, which makes the sound quality a bit less of an issue to me.
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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby Saul » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:48 pm

I still think at the street price of £839 it's still too expensive. The MX49 sounds did not exactly blow me away and this is the MX49 with a better keybed. I know Yamaha keep promoting the 'Motif' connection but honestly it does sound very dated now. The Roland Juno DS88 sounds quite modern by comparison plus it has the virtual expansion slot so you can download hundreds of sounds from the Roland Axial website for free. Also those Ivory feel keys are wonderful to play and your fingers don't slip.

I'm not saying the MX88 is a particularly bad keyboard but given the dated sounds, the tiny screen and the relatively high price I think there are better options out there.

Also of course in this price range is the Native Instruments S88, actually it's cheaper at around £800 and comes with Komplete Select (11 software instruments and effects: Massive, Prism, Scarbee Mark I, Solid Bus Comp, Drumlab, The Gentleman, Vintage Organs, Monark, Retro Machines, Replica and West Africa) of course it's a controller keyboard not a synth but it does have some excellent features and is, in the long run much more versatile.
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Unread postby AJay » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:10 pm

parametric wrote:I would "suggest" it would be nice to have another brainstorming session at Yamaha? :idea:

Re: Reconsidering their position on releasing their landmark Synths as VSTis?

- perhaps pointing out what their competitors are doing in this respect? (As if they don't know? :roll: )

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I'd much rather they concentrate on software updates that make proper use of their existing AWM2 based synths and designing improved synth hardware (i.e. more sophisticated chip design), instead of getting into the VSTi market as it's already extremely over-crowded as it is. It also devalues old hardware synths.
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Unread postby parametric » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:31 pm

I don't disagree with most of what you are saying, except, I DON'T believe that VSTis really devalue the hardware . . .

HAVING the hardware will always be the Holy Grail - as there is much that CAN'T be done with the VSTI . . .

ALL of the parameters are unlikely to be present in the virtual realisation - so tweakability (IMO) will be limited (compared to the actual instrument) . .

However, If you are largely using the presets as-is (and it's often the presets that we remember - and like), then the VSTI is fine - and gives you

somewhere to go if you have those "favourite" presets . . . .

My SY85 has a great Hammond preset out of the box (IMO) which I would be most happy to use in VSTi form . . .

(I need to be selling my 85 - as I don't have room for it)

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Re: New MX88BK Synth

Unread postby Saul » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:00 am

I definitely think Yamaha could knock out VST versions of the SY77 and SY85 at least. Even if these were the presets and a bit of tweaking. Doesn't need to be as in-depth as the hardware. Also bear in mind that there simply aren't enough SY77's and SY85's out there for everyone to own even if every one that was made survived intact and fully working. It's a huge market and with the funding from that Yamaha might be a little more inclined to invest in better hardware in the future.

Getting back to the MX88, I have just been going through the video demo's and hate to say it but there is nothing there that would tempt me to drop over £800 on it. Yes the keys themselves may be great but that doesn't help the synth engine under the cover. It still sounds very dated to me and considering you can pick up a used MOXF8 for about £100 more or the MOXF6 for around £650 I know which is the better bet.

I have also seen the Roland Juno DS88 for £774 new, which I also think is a better buy.

I guess it all comes down to whether you prefer the classic "Motif" sounds over anything else.
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